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Nath Hand History Review
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By Bond18
on 09/17/2007
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read Bond18's complete blog
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So today instead of doing my normal self absorbed and blabbering blog entry I decided to go with something with real content this time around. I’ve been talking to Nath a lot recently about either coaching me or swapping reviews back and forth, and decided to start on the 50 FO win he posted on 2+2 by creating a very comprehensive review. It’s about 75% done at this point, and tomorrow when I can finish it I’ll edit it and put up the rest. I think it should generate some good discussion. Here’s the link:
Nath hand history on Poker X Factor
And of course the review itself:
Hand 2: Is this a pretty standard call vs a lot of players or Belowabove specific? How deep are you making this call and how deep are you just folding. I’m def calling 86s here myself, not sure about 2 gapper.
Hand 9: Man I love this and its something I need to start doing. I think having a deceptive/wide range early for your 3 bets is key, as when someone like me 3 bets early in a tournament its pretty obvious to anyone slightly observant that in this situation my range would be like QQ+/AK. Would you do this against a lot of players or are you picking on EricW23 because he’s also a LAG tard and poor post flop.
Hand 12: Good, totally standard check/fold.
Hand 32: On an A high board with a guy who sees as many flops as EricW23 I think I’m C betting, though its obviously not perfect with AQ7 with a flush draw. Still, the fucker calls very very wide.
Hand 37: Same idea here, yea you could justify a C bet on A97 flop, but with the flush draw out and it being a little connected I don’t blame you for checking, especially with an aggressive image.
Hand 40: I like your check fold here after raising so many hands in the last round. If it was like T52 I could dig another C bet, but T84 is just coordinated enough that I like your c/f.
Hand 58: At 50/100, most peoples stacks are still moderately deep, so I prefer a full 3X. Obviously it’s a tiny thing to consider, but it’s just my preference.
Hand 87: What factors lead to this squeeze. I actually think it’s pretty good because we’re not at the stage of the tournament yet where
A. People expect it
B. The cold caller is a higher threat to have just called a big pair.
Hand 97: What factors lead to a complete here as opposed to a raise? It’s kind of a weird spot, if we had AJ we could raise+call pretty easy, or if he had like 14/15 BB’s we could raise call A9 probably. However, with his 24 BB’s he’s deep enough that if we raise A9o it’s really gross when he shoves, and it’s unknown whether this guy knows that restealing 24 BB’s without antes is usually not great, so he just might do it. Post flop looks good.
Hand 111: I honest think given your stack and position, this is likely a fold pre flop. Raising like 17 BB’s pre in EP is always tough, and with a hand like KQ that plays bad against peoples 3 betting ranges and a stack that makes post flop play super awkward. However, if this spot was a result of 4 people on the table being so short its not a decision to call, then I’m all for it.
Hand 125: 20 BB’s is likely the shortest stack I’m raising 44 there on. At like 13ish BB’s I might just shove. At like 14-19 in that position, I’d probably open fold. Do you think that’s to tight? I feel like with your playing style your going to get played back at a lot and raise/folding there is pretty detrimental to your stack and its going to end up happening to much for comfort. Thoughts?
Hand 148: Based on what I’ve seen people open shoving with 10-15 BB stacks in LP lately, I think this is good. However, if the guy jammed in first 3 positions for this amount, and he wasn’t a very aggressive player, I might let 77 go. I’m pretty sure you run into a range of 66-QQ/AQ/AK from earlier positions with most people. You wouldn’t think they’d open shove QQ at 15 BB’s, but so many shit players are just so terrified of playing a K/A high flop that they end up shoving.
Hand 176: Even though stacks are fairly good for check shoving on a flop, I don’t think you can profitably play J8s OOP with 20 BB stacks, especially from an MP1 raise. I mean maybe I could see calling JTs here with the intention of check shoving a ton of flops, but even still, I kind of feel like even that might be a spew, but I know J8s is.
Hand 186: Hmm, I’ve been thinking about this squeeze a fair bit. I know I’d like it better if they were both a few BB’s deeper since I feel like their both so short you’re almost always getting called from 1, sometimes 2 (I absolutely couldn’t believe you got 2 folds) but even if you get 1 call it might not be so bad considering J9dd plays pretty well against their range. I’d have to run some pokerstove numbers on it to be sure, but it’s close. I know for sure I’d like it better if you guys were all few BB’s deeper.
Hand 192: I really like your flop check here. Turn gets a lot closer since 3 flush hit and you don’t have one. I honestly don’t know what’s best on this turn, I think I’ll probably ask around about that one. Turn play is very likely my weakest street. Your thoughts on this hand overall?
Hand 193 and sort of general thought: I’ve had this discussion with many players and there seems to be no consensus. I tend to fall into the camp that Ajunglen taught me and overall I think it makes sense. With early position raises I like to go full 3X or close to in order to discourage OOP situations. In MP I bring it down to 2.7ish, in LP like 2.4 or 2.5ish. If the table is playing pretty tight or we start to get short handed I pull it down and standardize around 2.6. Overall however, I like going with the 3X in earlier positions, which seems contrary to what your doing here. You’re thoughts on that subject.
On to this hand specifically, what lead to your flop raise. I often like raising weak donk bets as well, but normally in HU or maybe 3 way pots. Here your raising against 4 players and the guy leading out is so short it just seems so unlikely to get a fold. However, that’s what happened here, so maybe you see something I don’t. What’s the thought process that lead to this play? Also, I think your flop raise size is really good.
Hand 195: Looks good, though again I go a full 3X to discourage OOP action.
Hand 211: After having entered so many of the last pots, unless this is a bubble I probably pass this time. However, seems like nobody is stopping you, so if you feel their going to keep letting you get away with it, then obviously go right ahead.
Hand 218: I basically 3 bet a min raise in LP whenever I see one if stacks will allow for it. However, this time you had a real hand, are you calling a shove from him? How much of calling a shove from him do you feel is based on your image?
Hand 229: I can’t decide on this flop whether betting something like 24k that commits them to play for their stack or just shoving is better. I don’t really know on a flop of this texture that one has more fold equity than the other, but sometimes people for some insane reason interpret a big overshove like that as an AK that doesn’t know what to do, so I probably end up betting a bit over pot, though I doubt it matters either way.
Hand 238: Are we getting the right price here? 14.6k with 8k to call, I think I pass but it’s pretty close.
Hand 250: Had this guy been limping enough that he’s going to c/f to you a ton post? If so then I’m all for this isolation, if this is his first open limp I probably let it go.
Hand 251: This all looks good to me, but if the flop is like 236 and doesn’t give an A a gut shot I’d fire. With board as it is, I feel we get check shoved on to much to make betting profitable.
Hand 267: I really don’t like this pre flop raise with these stacks. If you had 25 BB’s or more I could like it if the table was playing tight, but with things as they are at 18 BB’s I can’t possibly see this raise as profitable.
Hand 270: I’m pretty tempted to shove over this guys complete if I don’t think there’s a chance he’s completing with a lot of hands he’ll call with.
Hand 279: I like your line here post flop.
Hand 281: I absolutely love pre flop and on the flop here.
Hand 283: Flop C bet here is pretty borderline though by no means bad. What lead to this specific one?
Hand 291: I like a larger C bet here. The board is pretty drawy and a K/J is definitely in his range, plus a larger bet makes it more natural for him to check shove. I think like 18 or 20k here is optimal.
Hand 292: This second barrel has got to be close. A lot of his flop peeling range is an A, since most of the time a decent draw check shoves. Any particular reason this time you went with a second barrel?
Hand 315: This pre flop spot is tough. Stacks are way deep enough that we could 3 bet, the issue is that a total LAGtard like EricW23 will call us a ton and make us play ace rag OOP. I’m not sure about calling either, but considering how loose he is you’ve got to be ahead of his range. This is one of those weird spots where just calling OOP with suited Ax might be best, but I don’t know. This is another spot where I think I might ask a few others. I like post flop considering villain.
Hand 317: I’m a little surprised you elected a flat call here, though with the stacks I don’t blame you. However, the temptation to make it 60k here and make him play reraised pot OOP is pretty high, but stacks are of course gross if he 4 bets since it’d be getting it for 100 BB’s effective.
Hand 321: Looks good.
Hand 327: What’s your plan if he bets the flop?
Hand 331: I like your line post flop, what’s your plan if he bets turn, fold?
Hand 333: Jesus EricW23 is REALLY bad at poker.
Hand 336: Good call pre, standard i think. What's your cut off point for calling there?
Hand 337: Was this on final table bubble?
Hand 344: Yea i guess it's fine becuase only 1 player behind you as a good shoving stack, so i can dig this.
Hand 350: Very good play both pre and post. Once Jnelson checks (blegh check by AK) i think betting here is
really good since considering stack depth Jnelson leads like all his good hands and the BB can be coming
along with a huge range.
Hand 355: I like your squeeze size here, though i'm not sure i like the play in genereal because Eric is
such a retard station and your out of position with a hand that basically never flops well ever. I like your
flop C bet of course.
Hand 356: Even though Eric is a tard station, i think you went a hair big here, at 4.5X. I prolly make it
like 80k.
Hand 359: Man your PF raise is so sick small. I like playing in position and taking pots down cheap, but
this is even a bit small for me. I think lowest i'd go in MP is to like 23500. I guess overall though, if
they aren't stopping you enough, this might be optimal but if i had to guess, on most tables you'd need to
add a little.
Hand 364: Nice reraise size.
Hand 374: This all looks very good here. I think 3 betting is a little awkward here pre since you've done it
so much and 99 isn't really great in a huge pre pot, but plays very well post. Good flop bet of course.
Hand 375: Looks good post.
Hand 379: Meh, pre is close. I hate to let min raisers get away with it, but J7o is like absolute bottom of
your range you can call with here. I probably don't fire that Q turn, as the board is not bad for his range
plus has lots of draws, and he's a tard station who will call you with like, EVERYTHING there.
Hand 387: Standard.
Hand 389: Oh my god he's so bad at poker it's unreal.
Hand 398: Oh my god check call OOP with GS i can't believe this guy has ever cashed a donkament ever it's
tilting me watching this.
Hand 402: C betting this seems pretty close. I'm not sure whether betting or checking is better. Thoughts
here?
Hand 405: I like it the whole way through, though i probably full 3X raise this pre.
hand 406: Perfect, the whole way through, and absolutely HILARIOUS by Erick.
Hand 407: Love your pre flop 3 bet here, it looks so strong. I probably go just a little bit bigger, like
145k.
Hand 417: Wow, nice raise size on river. I probably end up going to like 160k to make sure i get a call, but
i think with your image making it this size is a really good play. Nh.
Hand 419: You guys are pretty damn deep and i never like getting called with Ax OOP, i go full 3X here pre.
I love the way you played this post.
Hand 423: Looks perfect pre+post.
Hand 426: I'm kind of tempted to find a C bet on this A high flop, it's close with the flush draw out.
Hand 427: I raise his complete here always. Looks great post, i don't see any reason to raise this flop
since you'll blow him off a lot of his range, much of which is bluffs.
Hand 431: Run better please.
Hand 433: I'm not sure if he's limping an A here much, i find it tempting to CR to 110k if he believes
you'll ever check an A.
Hand 434: You station you.
Hand 440: Good thin value bet on river, i might go a bit smaller though.
Hand 450: I complete.
Hand 458: There's very little he can be floating/drawing to on this flop. I think river call is a spew.
Hand 479: GG.
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