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Originally Posted by lakong
That's fine, but... My questions was a bit different. First with, he was getting about the right odds to hit his set given that there was a second player in the pot. Second, I was asking if bond18 or anyone else on these boards would simply fold 88 in that situation from the SB.
Are you saying that you would fold 88 in that spot? If so, why? Now I don't know the guy's stack size which would factor in quite a bit, but it appears that the guy had him covered so it appears that he was in good shape to make the call and see how things transpired on the flop.
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OK, first:
He is not getting 11/1 implied odds to "setmine" vs a 15bb stack and EP flat.
Second:
Yes (fold). (Why)You are OOP. A shortstack opened, if he is worth anything he is not going away on the flop. What range of hands does a top player like bond open UTG w 15bbs? What range of hands does an EP flatter of an UTG raise have? What kind of equity does 88 have vs the callers range; vs the UTG raiser's range? What kind of flops are you going to feel good about continuing on vs the caller (considering you are not worried about the orig raiser UTG)?
The answers are, in order: small(guessing obvvv)think top 11%. EP flat range is maybe 66+, AJo+ KQs. No poker tools at work to give u equity vs callers range but you are praying for a race at best, imo. And the 88 actually has potentially better equity vs the callers range than bonds range opening 15bbs UTG. And lastly, there aren't very many flops you are going to feel warm and fuzzy about continuing with your hand. For these reasons I fold the 88 as the sb in this spot.
The only other thing I may do here is if I think the EP flatter has a wide range, and if the UTG raiser is known to open light on the shortstack, I may go for the squeeze. But that is obv read/situation dependant.